...Hey Kary...

This would’ve been me in high school if I ever saw a girl in a bikini

Thanks for following me btw. You're literally my favorite blame it on eclare

Ahh yes those were the good ole’ days..

Just wanted to stop by and thank you for making this night a little less shitty

You’re welcome! :) Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve gotta take five from tumblr for a bit…

Do you think Drew's view on the situation changed after clare blatantly said that Drew was not the reason for her breaking up with Eli even though he may have believed that was the reason?

I think it might’ve been more the mention of Clare breaking up with Eli through voicemail. I think Drew hearing that Clare had broken up with Eli yet she hadn’t actually talked to him made Drew feel like Eclare had some unfinished business, and also made Drew realize that he and Clare were moving too fast.

But if you look back, Clare's view on sex as a whole has changed. She used to view it as "Marriage then sex cause marriage is finale" Then her parents divorce made her look at it all in a different light. She felt she was ready with Jake, then she did with Eli. Her best friend Alli had sex and thought she was pregnant, and Clare didn't view her as wrong, She was concerned and even suggested an abortion. People refuse to see Clare in season 13 isn't the same as Clare in season 8. She grew up

That’s true, her views on sex from season 8 until now have changed. But my point is we saw WHY it changed in season 11 from “Marriage then sex cause marriage is finale” to “premarital sex as long as it’s with someone I love.”  We can pinpoint that change to her parents’ divorce.

Where is the pinpoint in season 13 where they show us the change in Clare where she goes from “premarital sex as long as it’s with someone I love” to “I’m going to fulfill my lustful desires?”  That’s what I’m having trouble figuring out.

I agree Clare jumped into bed a little too quick with Drew, but I don't think that means she likes him any less or is using him for a rebound. She's actually thought about this for a while, and for a girl who's always doing things by the book, to do this impulse isn't like she's terrible or rebounding. IMO

It’s nothing about her being terrible or anything, it’s just a matter of me trying to wrap my brain around the idea that Clare Edwards would sleep with someone she’s not in a committed relationship with.

With Clare having sex with Eli after years of hearing about her Christian values, they at least established how that change of heart came about: her parents’ divorce ultimately changed her values and the way she views the world.  She was in love with Eli when she had sex with him, and she was convinced she was in love with Jake when she wanted to sleep with him.

What exactly happened here that a switch would flip in Clare’s head and make her immediately jump Drew’s bones the first chance she could get?

Rebound doesn’t necessarily mean Clare is trying to use Drew…I don’t think she was going to do to Drew what Drew did to Zoë.  Rebound can also refer to someone’s state of mind, the inability to make clear decisions because of stress from another relationship. Clare definitely has been thinking about Drew for a while, and I’d like to think she cares for him on some level. But at the same time she could easily be overvaluing Drew because of how shitty Eli has made her feel, and that determine every move she’s made since finding out Eli cheated with Lenore.

Hey how are you? Do you think characters are acting ooc on Degrassi? I am reading people saying Clare, Eli and Drew are out of character. I personally see this as them maturing, they have grown up. People change. Wanted to know your outlook. Thanks.

clewness:

karydegrassi:

I’m doing great, I hope you are too! I’m terms of characters acting OOC, that term along with things like fans constantly complaining about relationship drama I refer to as “crutch complaints.” Sometimes they’re very real and very valid, but you also have times where fans will throw that lingo around just because they don’t like what’s happening on the show.  We complain about Degrassi not developing characters enough, but when characters develop and change in the process we label them as OOC, as if people are supposed to behave in the same exact way in every situation every single time for their entire lives.  But we’re all guilty of throwing out generic complaints at some point because as fans we’re very much emotionally invested in this show, and when Degrassi does something we don’t like we take it personally.

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Is Eli OOC? Maybe…
The only character who might even come close to OOC is Eli, and even that’s stretching it because of how this situation has been presented. People just look at the fact Eli cheated and say “He would never cheat on Clare!! He’s too loyal!”  However, since season 12 Eli has been portrayed as someone who uses coping mechanisms when he’s stressed out.  When he was on the show it was weed.  Is it possible that while at school he was so lonely and missed Clare so much that he used Lenore as his coping mechanism so to speak? It seems possible, especially as we see the loneliness aspect from Clare’s POV and what it’s done to her in 13C.  The problem with Eli is that the show doesn’t want us to think about his cheating in depth, because it’s not about him. Even with the Dorm Life minis it feels like they’re not interested in fleshing out how his character got to that point, because his cheating is simply supposed to be a plot device to move Clare’s character along.  In Sparks Will Fly Pt. 1 the footage where we see Eli on the phone feels like a random scene they filmed forever ago and just edited in…I mean I’m sure that’s what they did, but it shouldn’t feel that way.

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Is Clare OOC? Not really.
(NOTE: This commentary DOES NOT include situations like being in a relationship with someone in the military, etc.  Their lives are obviously demanding and I know communication is limited. However, if that person didn’t attempt to communicate with you when they had the chance, and it happens multiple times in a row, that is cause for concern).

The disturbing part of all this has been browsing through the Degrassi tag here on tumblr, and watching other females harshly criticize Clare.  The two biggest criticisms:

1) How dare she break up with Eli by phone…poor Eli!

2) Eli’s busy with school, Clare you need to stop being selfish and stop whining about how Eli can’t come see you.

If those two points are the only thing you can see in this situation, then you’re simply not paying attention.  In Sparks Will Fly Pt. 1 every time Clare complained, the very first thing that Clare would mention was neither Lenore nor the fact Eli doesn’t visit her…it’s the fact they don’t communicate.  I repeat, the primary issue between Eli and Clare is lack of communicationEli doesn’t return her phone calls.  Eli doesn’t return her text messages.  This has been happening for months. If you’re a female who thinks it’s okay for your boyfriend to just not respond ever and make no attempt to communicate with you when he has time, then no wonder us guys can shit all over girls’ emotions as much as we do. Eli is not doing things 24/7, so being busy is an excuse that only extends so far. And even if he is, any guy worth his salt will make time to do something simple like leave a message.

Eli could get away with breaking plans to visit Clare if he’d simply answer his damn phone, or call her or leave her messages reassuring her that he loves her, etc. But he doesn’t do that. And again, this has been happening for months

Clare is not acting OOC. She’s behaving exactly the way I’d expect: she’s lonely and she’s tired of her boyfriend putting forth little to no effort to talk to her.  Tell me, who in the hell wants a relationship like that?  Clare’s decision to break up with Eli by phone was an emotional response done on impulse.  Why should she wait until Eli is around to do it when she has no idea when they’ll talk or when he’ll show up?

Breaking up by phone isn’t necessarily ideal, but it also doesn’t make someone a coward.  This is coming from someone (me) who believed for the longest time that breaking up any other way besides face-to-face was cowardly.  But of course through my life experiences (I’ve been rejected both ways) and also seeing how others deal with things, there are situations where face-to-face breakups can work well, and there are situations where breaking up in person can be a very bad idea.

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Is Drew OOC? My question is, “Is anyone actually paying attention to this show?”
Apparently it is OOC for Drew Torres to be attracted to Clare Edwards. She’s not “his type” because he’s a shallow guy who only goes for looks, and Clare’s not considered super hot.  Would Drew be looking in Clare’s direction if he were still with Bianca? I doubt it.  He wouldn’t need to.

However, let’s not act like the Drew Torres we’re looking at right now is the same Drew we’ve seen over the past several years. The primary thing that Degrassi has focused on when it comes to Drew over the past few seasons is his self esteem, or lack thereof.  Even when his character was at his most ridiculous (aka his “dropout Drew” phase), Degrassi has hammered into our heads that Drew Torres is a guy who doesn’t have a lot of confidence in himself. 

The end of season 12 was a turning point for Drew.  Bianca helped him gain some confidence by helping him to become elected student council president.  In season 13 we’ve seen Drew taking his life more seriously.  He’s out to prove that he isn’t an idiot and can handle responsibility.  There have been some setbacks (the beginning of his tenure as president, the breakup with Bianca, and him using Zoë as his rebound) and he’s fully not there yet, but for the most part he’s showing that he is trying and maturing.  A lot of that has to do with his responsibilities as president, and Clare being by his side to help him manage things.  If Drew’s indeed maturing, then why wouldn’t his tastes in what he’s looking for in a woman mature as well? Clare’s “not as hot” as someone like Bianca and might not be “fun and athletic” like Eden, but Clare also possesses the type of qualities Drew wishes he had for himself: she’s intelligent and driven, and because of that she will wind up being successful.  What does Drew want? To show he’s not a failure by becoming successful.

And as a straight guy, I can also attest to the fact that if a single guy is spending a lot of time with a girl, there’s a pretty good chance he will become attracted to her at some point. It might be something where he develops serious romantic feelings for her. It might be that he develops a crush on her in the early months, but those giddy crush feelings fade away as the friendship grows.  He may tell her how he feels, or he may never mention a word about it.  Either way it’s a real thing that happens, so the idea of Drew being attracted to Clare isn’t all that far fetched.

Can’t believe Kary answered my question!!! Omg

I write all of that, then Degrassi goes and makes Clare randomly have sex with Drew not even a day after breaking up with Eli.

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what are your thoughts on zig and maya as a couple? do you like them? do you think the writers are planning on making them get together soon? I'd love to hear your thoughts
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I would’ve been on board with Zaya if say something had happened during 13A or 13B, but there’s just been a lot of stuff happening recently that has me hesitant to like them. Zig’s also been acting like a jerk lately, toward Miles as well as toward Maya whenever he doesn’t get his way.

Degrassi clearly got Miles out of the way tonight so that they could focus on Zig and Maya’s dynamic in the next block.  Unfortunately 13D spoilers lean toward Zig and Maya not getting together soon (Maya still has to uncover Zig’s secret).

jaties:

clare edwards season 14: pregnant with miles’ baby

Oh the Degrassi writers have every intention of making Eclare endgame!  They just forgot to tell you that endgame will be Eli and Clare raising Drew Jr.

I don’t mind a good ol’ fashioned Degrassi love triangle every once in a while.

hollyjwonders:

But I do think that they maybe shouldn’t have two going on at the same time. I can see how it’s overkill right now.

Having them all piled on at once causes the perception that the show is too shippy because there is so much ship chatter right now, and it’s hard not to drag ships into every discussion when they are in your face.

They should just space that shit out better so that viewers don’t get fatigued on the ship wars/ship chatter.

I can see how it can feel like overkill for others.  For me relationship drama isn’t really the issue, it’s the quality of said relationship issues that ultimately matters. I don’t spend as much time actively engaged in hardcore ship talk online because that is where the fatigue sets in (i.e. the Eclare ship wars years ago, when the fandom at times would blow Eclare insanely out of proportion compared to what was actually happening on the show).

I’m not really thinking about Sparks Will Fly from the perspective of it having two separate love triangles happening at once.  I don’t see it as just a couple of guys mindlessly fighting each other for the hand of their princess, I’m breaking it down this way: you’ve got these groups of characters whose individual issues are bleeding all over each other.  Because of that, these situations are far more complicated than they ever needed to be.  A simple situation made unnecessarily dramatic and complex? Sounds pretty realistic to me (hell, look at Degrassi’s fandom, or any type of fandom for that matter).

Maya’s issues with needing to “protect” Zig are causing issues with Miles that will explode once Zig finds out. Miles has anger issues that are getting in the way when they don’t need to, because he already has the girl.  We will see some of Zig’s issues tonight once Maya tells him the truth.

Eli’s being weird and it’s causing Clare to freak out. That promo clip of Dallas talking to Drew about rebounds makes me think Drew’s recent rebound issues will come into play.

But of course neither the networks nor show will frame it that way when addressing/marketing to fans online.  Looking at characters in depth might be insightful, but it’s not what’s going to get this young, primarily-teenage fanbase talking…framing it as simple relationship drama where we’re encouraged to pick a side is what will get fans worked up one way or the other. Everyone talks about it, gets tired of it, then continues to talk about it by talking about how much they’re tired of a ship and its shippers.  It’s an endless cycle that shows the power of the double-edged sword that is relationship drama on Degrassi.

Hey how are you? Do you think characters are acting ooc on Degrassi? I am reading people saying Clare, Eli and Drew are out of character. I personally see this as them maturing, they have grown up. People change. Wanted to know your outlook. Thanks.

I’m doing great, I hope you are too! I’m terms of characters acting OOC, that term along with things like fans constantly complaining about relationship drama I refer to as “crutch complaints.” Sometimes they’re very real and very valid, but you also have times where fans will throw that lingo around just because they don’t like what’s happening on the show.  We complain about Degrassi not developing characters enough, but when characters develop and change in the process we label them as OOC, as if people are supposed to behave in the same exact way in every situation every single time for their entire lives.  But we’re all guilty of throwing out generic complaints at some point because as fans we’re very much emotionally invested in this show, and when Degrassi does something we don’t like we take it personally.

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Is Eli OOC? Maybe…
The only character who might even come close to OOC is Eli, and even that’s stretching it because of how this situation has been presented. People just look at the fact Eli cheated and say “He would never cheat on Clare!! He’s too loyal!”  However, since season 12 Eli has been portrayed as someone who uses coping mechanisms when he’s stressed out.  When he was on the show it was weed.  Is it possible that while at school he was so lonely and missed Clare so much that he used Lenore as his coping mechanism so to speak? It seems possible, especially as we see the loneliness aspect from Clare’s POV and what it’s done to her in 13C.  The problem with Eli is that the show doesn’t want us to think about his cheating in depth, because it’s not about him. Even with the Dorm Life minis it feels like they’re not interested in fleshing out how his character got to that point, because his cheating is simply supposed to be a plot device to move Clare’s character along.  In Sparks Will Fly Pt. 1 the footage where we see Eli on the phone feels like a random scene they filmed forever ago and just edited in…I mean I’m sure that’s what they did, but it shouldn’t feel that way.

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Is Clare OOC? Not really.
(NOTE: This commentary DOES NOT include situations like being in a relationship with someone in the military, etc.  Their lives are obviously demanding and I know communication is limited. However, if that person didn’t attempt to communicate with you when they had the chance, and it happens multiple times in a row, that is cause for concern).

The disturbing part of all this has been browsing through the Degrassi tag here on tumblr, and watching other females harshly criticize Clare.  The two biggest criticisms:

1) How dare she break up with Eli by phone…poor Eli!

2) Eli’s busy with school, Clare you need to stop being selfish and stop whining about how Eli can’t come see you.

If those two points are the only thing you can see in this situation, then you’re simply not paying attention.  In Sparks Will Fly Pt. 1 every time Clare complained, the very first thing that Clare would mention was neither Lenore nor the fact Eli doesn’t visit her…it’s the fact they don’t communicate.  I repeat, the primary issue between Eli and Clare is lack of communicationEli doesn’t return her phone calls.  Eli doesn’t return her text messages.  This has been happening for months. If you’re a female who thinks it’s okay for your boyfriend to just not respond ever and make no attempt to communicate with you when he has time, then no wonder us guys can shit all over girls’ emotions as much as we do. Eli is not doing things 24/7, so being busy is an excuse that only extends so far. And even if he is, any guy worth his salt will make time to do something simple like leave a message.

Eli could get away with breaking plans to visit Clare if he’d simply answer his damn phone, or call her or leave her messages reassuring her that he loves her, etc. But he doesn’t do that. And again, this has been happening for months

Clare is not acting OOC. She’s behaving exactly the way I’d expect: she’s lonely and she’s tired of her boyfriend putting forth little to no effort to talk to her.  Tell me, who in the hell wants a relationship like that?  Clare’s decision to break up with Eli by phone was an emotional response done on impulse.  Why should she wait until Eli is around to do it when she has no idea when they’ll talk or when he’ll show up?

Breaking up by phone isn’t necessarily ideal, but it also doesn’t make someone a coward.  This is coming from someone (me) who believed for the longest time that breaking up any other way besides face-to-face was cowardly.  But of course through my life experiences (I’ve been rejected both ways) and also seeing how others deal with things, there are situations where face-to-face breakups can work well, and there are situations where breaking up in person can be a very bad idea.

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Is Drew OOC? My question is, “Is anyone actually paying attention to this show?”
Apparently it is OOC for Drew Torres to be attracted to Clare Edwards. She’s not “his type” because he’s a shallow guy who only goes for looks, and Clare’s not considered super hot.  Would Drew be looking in Clare’s direction if he were still with Bianca? I doubt it.  He wouldn’t need to.

However, let’s not act like the Drew Torres we’re looking at right now is the same Drew we’ve seen over the past several years. The primary thing that Degrassi has focused on when it comes to Drew over the past few seasons is his self esteem, or lack thereof.  Even when his character was at his most ridiculous (aka his “dropout Drew” phase), Degrassi has hammered into our heads that Drew Torres is a guy who doesn’t have a lot of confidence in himself. 

The end of season 12 was a turning point for Drew.  Bianca helped him gain some confidence by helping him to become elected student council president.  In season 13 we’ve seen Drew taking his life more seriously.  He’s out to prove that he isn’t an idiot and can handle responsibility.  There have been some setbacks (the beginning of his tenure as president, the breakup with Bianca, and him using Zoë as his rebound) and he’s fully not there yet, but for the most part he’s showing that he is trying and maturing.  A lot of that has to do with his responsibilities as president, and Clare being by his side to help him manage things.  If Drew’s indeed maturing, then why wouldn’t his tastes in what he’s looking for in a woman mature as well? Clare’s “not as hot” as someone like Bianca and might not be “fun and athletic” like Eden, but Clare also possesses the type of qualities Drew wishes he had for himself: she’s intelligent and driven, and because of that she will wind up being successful.  What does Drew want? To show he’s not a failure by becoming successful.

And as a straight guy, I can also attest to the fact that if a single guy is spending a lot of time with a girl, there’s a pretty good chance he will become attracted to her at some point. It might be something where he develops serious romantic feelings for her. It might be that he develops a crush on her in the early months, but those giddy crush feelings fade away as the friendship grows.  He may tell her how he feels, or he may never mention a word about it.  Either way it’s a real thing that happens, so the idea of Drew being attracted to Clare isn’t all that far fetched.

sally-mun:

This is how I imagine my college is using my tuition money.

sally-mun:

This is how I imagine my college is using my tuition money.

youkai-amy:

People who keep saying Clare was a bitch for breaking up with Eli over voice mail: 

He barely answers his phone you guys, do you really think she wanted to wait for him to call back, after she’s called him up hundreds of times, and she’s been telling him it’s okay every single time till know.

If it were me, I’d be pretty pissed too.

Eli cheated on Clare. I dunno, but I think cheating on your girlfriend while you’re at college is more shallow then voice mail breakup. At least she didn’t text it to him.

AND, she at least had the common sense to not feel right doing things with Drew while with Eli.

So sit your asses down.

Not every situation in life is clear cut-and-dried, and not everyone needs to be made into a villain just because they do something we think is wrong. Breaking up with someone via voicemail or text is generally considered a crappy thing to do, but in Clare’s case you absolutely HAVE to take the state of Eclare’s relationship into account and not just look at the fact someone broke up with someone via voicemail.

The number one reason Eclare is having relationship issues to begin with is lack of communication.  She freaked out in Sparks Will Fly because she’d called and texted him multiple times, and never heard back from him.  For whatever reason Eli is flat out refusing to respond (or taking forever to reply back)…I don’t know a single human being who would be okay with their significant other deciding to not return their calls or texts for long periods of time.

By the time Clare called Eli to break up with him it was pretty clear she was done emotionally, and just wanted to be free of the pain this situation is causing her.  What else was she supposed to do, just sit around and wait for him to call back a week or two later? Fly to NYU and try to track down her boyfriend who’s apparently too busy to reply with a simple text message?

I don't even know who she could be friends with because Tristan is a fair weather friend when someone or something better comes along he will ditch you.
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seancamerons:

It’s beyond obvious that is what Tristan is. He started off being friends with Maya because he was best friends with Tori, and when she moved away he was friends with Maya because it was better than being alone. Absolutely, he tried to ditch Maya for Zoe. I know the writers want to sell Tristan and Maya as some great friendship, but it isn’t that great. It’s actually pretty problematic. He represents everything that is insincere and untrue. Maya is often the last to know, so perhaps she’d be the last to know the last one standing when Tristan does ditch, then she really needs to find friends. If I remember correctly even her friendship with Tori came with stipulations.

It might be just me, but I don’t feel like the *writers* are the ones who have tried to sell Tristan and Maya as a great friendship. Just based on action alone this season, Degrassi’s made it pretty clear to me that these two are “bffs” simply because they have no one else.

I agree what you two are saying about Tristan; he’s interesting because he’s sassy, but he’s definitely been a sketchy friend at times. With Tristan and Maya it doesn’t feel natural like Tristan and Tori’s friendship did, or any of the close friendships on the show now. And while watching episodes I’ve never felt like the show is trying to sell Tristan and Maya’s “besties” status…or maybe they have, I just haven’t bought it because I still have the shady nonsense Tristan pulled in Summertime stuck in my head.

Has Degrassi tried to sell them on social media? ABSOLUTELY. 

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But as fan perception of Eclare over the past couple of years shows, there can be a BIG difference between what happens in Degrassiland on the internet and what’s happening on the actual show.

degrassikid:

Now our marathon has reached #degrassi season 6!

degrassikid:

Now our marathon has reached #degrassi season 6!